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	<title>Comments on: Taking it to the streets (part 2)</title>
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	<description>Turn your back to basics</description>
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		<title>By: Tory Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.toryscum.com/2005/04/09/taking-streets-part-2/#comment-3846</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty funny, especially now that LABOUR will be IMPOSING IMMIGRATION LIMITS!  So, presumably LABOUR is RACIST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty funny, especially now that LABOUR will be IMPOSING IMMIGRATION LIMITS!  So, presumably LABOUR is RACIST.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela</title>
		<link>http://www.toryscum.com/2005/04/09/taking-streets-part-2/#comment-2483</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm - im sure Labour might be trying to improve hospitals because of the absolute disgrace the tory party left them in. These posters are a brilliant idea as they remind people exactly what we are facing here! Please everyone - take action or be faced with 5 years of the pompous twit from Eton - David "superman" Cameron (see Sunday Times mag 30th July aka most nauseating thing i have ever seen!) Don't let them back in!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm - im sure Labour might be trying to improve hospitals because of the absolute disgrace the tory party left them in. These posters are a brilliant idea as they remind people exactly what we are facing here! Please everyone - take action or be faced with 5 years of the pompous twit from Eton - David &#8220;superman&#8221; Cameron (see Sunday Times mag 30th July aka most nauseating thing i have ever seen!) Don&#8217;t let them back in!!!</p>
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		<title>By: just guess</title>
		<link>http://www.toryscum.com/2005/04/09/taking-streets-part-2/#comment-1403</link>
		<dc:creator>just guess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when will you people learn the Tory, in spite of what you think will win the next elections. Left wing will never work. The foundations of Labour are communist. Left wing =equality! I am sorry but i am sure most of you do not want to *give away* your hard earnt money to drug adicts! Yes Tory have made some mistakes, but not half as many as Labour.  Britain has become an *immigration* hot spot and crime has gone out of control! 
How dare labour think they can campaign for an improvement in the NHS when they themselves mucked it up! When i was in Harlow last week ( a ward un by labour) the hospital wards were covered in blood and smelt of urine ?? Put a matron o nthe ward ( as the conservatives say) and that will not happen. The hospital ward consisted of a few most likelly un-trained nurses who could not speak good English !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when will you people learn the Tory, in spite of what you think will win the next elections. Left wing will never work. The foundations of Labour are communist. Left wing =equality! I am sorry but i am sure most of you do not want to *give away* your hard earnt money to drug adicts! Yes Tory have made some mistakes, but not half as many as Labour.  Britain has become an *immigration* hot spot and crime has gone out of control!<br />
How dare labour think they can campaign for an improvement in the NHS when they themselves mucked it up! When i was in Harlow last week ( a ward un by labour) the hospital wards were covered in blood and smelt of urine ?? Put a matron o nthe ward ( as the conservatives say) and that will not happen. The hospital ward consisted of a few most likelly un-trained nurses who could not speak good English !</p>
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		<title>By: Lupo</title>
		<link>http://www.toryscum.com/2005/04/09/taking-streets-part-2/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Lupo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind you Jonathon, it's better to keep your mouth closed and look like a fool than to open it and remove all doubt; not with regards to your observations, which I take to be more sound and rational than most. But the debate in general, I believe, is a tricky one to engage in. I mean what are these posters actually saying? It's very easy to formulate an opinion when the underying meaning of such propaganda is so grey. The tories (and the rest) seem to be more obsessed with image than specific policy. Cameron's more like a model on the catwalk than an MP. I only wish that he'd stop strutting about and clarify and expand upon these wishy-woshy slogans...  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind you Jonathon, it&#8217;s better to keep your mouth closed and look like a fool than to open it and remove all doubt; not with regards to your observations, which I take to be more sound and rational than most. But the debate in general, I believe, is a tricky one to engage in. I mean what are these posters actually saying? It&#8217;s very easy to formulate an opinion when the underying meaning of such propaganda is so grey. The tories (and the rest) seem to be more obsessed with image than specific policy. Cameron&#8217;s more like a model on the catwalk than an MP. I only wish that he&#8217;d stop strutting about and clarify and expand upon these wishy-woshy slogans&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JOnthan Bidgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOnthan Bidgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Good to see internet debate is still thriving, and clarity and rigour of thought prevails over sloganeering and emotive thuggery.

Couple of thoughts re the above. 

I can understand people's scepticism about the claim that we are all racist, but it seems to me that what the author is actually proposing is that we are all scared of the unknown. This is pretty obviously true. The only way to arrest one's natural tendancies in this direction is to establish a metaphysic which comprehands the strange en masse. various religious system's have achieved this in the past with regards to death, but generally it stands that we are just shit scared of stuff we don't understand, and i would suggest that that is a not unreasonable position. 
The solution, however, is to enlarge your understanding, not to react to the mysterious with preemptive violence.
I haven't seen a leading polititian display political integrity in my lifetime, so i am disinclined to vote for any of them (although as a keen suporter of democracy and the open society, I will have to choose the least objectionable at some point soon). however, i would love to see a few of them actually trying to open debate on these issues. wider scrutiny is needed, open and accountable to the people of this country. Not just abusive and entrenched mud slinging.
The fact that the latter tends to make up most of our political discourse is, i fear, the result of the rise of television, a medium that favours visual metaphor and soundbites by its very nature. When that is the dominant method of information distribution, open and involved debate will always give way to political graffitti.
On a less general note, I am not deepy conversant with the life and thoughts of Mr Mosely, but i understand that his general gist was that if you mix up a whole bunch of worldviews with radically different founding principles, sooner or later there will be a punch up. Relevant possibly, considering recent 'demonstrations' regarding dutch cartoonists. 
My political philosophy; i am prepared to listen to and evaluate the words of anyone, whether you wish to label them 'fachist scum, 'commie bastards', 'reactionaries', whatever form of bigotory floats your boat. What an individual brings to the debate should not be mediated by your or my opinion of who that individual is. The ones that really frighten me are the ones who won't enter he debate at all (it's that unknown quantity thing again). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Good to see internet debate is still thriving, and clarity and rigour of thought prevails over sloganeering and emotive thuggery.</p>
<p>Couple of thoughts re the above. </p>
<p>I can understand people&#8217;s scepticism about the claim that we are all racist, but it seems to me that what the author is actually proposing is that we are all scared of the unknown. This is pretty obviously true. The only way to arrest one&#8217;s natural tendancies in this direction is to establish a metaphysic which comprehands the strange en masse. various religious system&#8217;s have achieved this in the past with regards to death, but generally it stands that we are just shit scared of stuff we don&#8217;t understand, and i would suggest that that is a not unreasonable position.<br />
The solution, however, is to enlarge your understanding, not to react to the mysterious with preemptive violence.<br />
I haven&#8217;t seen a leading polititian display political integrity in my lifetime, so i am disinclined to vote for any of them (although as a keen suporter of democracy and the open society, I will have to choose the least objectionable at some point soon). however, i would love to see a few of them actually trying to open debate on these issues. wider scrutiny is needed, open and accountable to the people of this country. Not just abusive and entrenched mud slinging.<br />
The fact that the latter tends to make up most of our political discourse is, i fear, the result of the rise of television, a medium that favours visual metaphor and soundbites by its very nature. When that is the dominant method of information distribution, open and involved debate will always give way to political graffitti.<br />
On a less general note, I am not deepy conversant with the life and thoughts of Mr Mosely, but i understand that his general gist was that if you mix up a whole bunch of worldviews with radically different founding principles, sooner or later there will be a punch up. Relevant possibly, considering recent &#8216;demonstrations&#8217; regarding dutch cartoonists.<br />
My political philosophy; i am prepared to listen to and evaluate the words of anyone, whether you wish to label them &#8216;fachist scum, &#8216;commie bastards&#8217;, &#8216;reactionaries&#8217;, whatever form of bigotory floats your boat. What an individual brings to the debate should not be mediated by your or my opinion of who that individual is. The ones that really frighten me are the ones who won&#8217;t enter he debate at all (it&#8217;s that unknown quantity thing again).</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
		<link>http://www.toryscum.com/2005/04/09/taking-streets-part-2/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the population of the UK is falling. which is good. there are far too many ugly, greedy, selfish humans in the world. anyway, immigration would allow us to take in people to replace the drop in our population, it would ease the swelling of the ranks of third world countries where religion and cultures stop contraception from controlling ridiculous birth rates, and this is what the human race as a whole needs. people to be a lot more nice to each other and not so selfish and ignorant. however if i could go back in time and support immigration i would, in stone age times when people first came to britain. imagine all the forests still being there isntead of these ugly fields. countryside my backside.

bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the population of the UK is falling. which is good. there are far too many ugly, greedy, selfish humans in the world. anyway, immigration would allow us to take in people to replace the drop in our population, it would ease the swelling of the ranks of third world countries where religion and cultures stop contraception from controlling ridiculous birth rates, and this is what the human race as a whole needs. people to be a lot more nice to each other and not so selfish and ignorant. however if i could go back in time and support immigration i would, in stone age times when people first came to britain. imagine all the forests still being there isntead of these ugly fields. countryside my backside.</p>
<p>bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Buckley</title>
		<link>http://www.toryscum.com/2005/04/09/taking-streets-part-2/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Conservative party want more genuine Asylum seekers to be accepted.  Under a Conservative Government, more people would be given asylum in this country.

The Conservative party will accept the most needed economic migrants over those less needed.  There will be a limit as it would be damaging to the country if more were accepted than can be coped with.

It is not at all racist to impose limits on immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Conservative party want more genuine Asylum seekers to be accepted.  Under a Conservative Government, more people would be given asylum in this country.</p>
<p>The Conservative party will accept the most needed economic migrants over those less needed.  There will be a limit as it would be damaging to the country if more were accepted than can be coped with.</p>
<p>It is not at all racist to impose limits on immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
		<link>http://www.toryscum.com/2005/04/09/taking-streets-part-2/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 15:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, RE: Ghettos.

There may or may not be any 'white ghettos' (though I've seen places that look pretty fucked up in Manchester and London myself, race not being an issue) but ghettos are about poverty, not race.

However, many ethnic minorities in this country are of a much greater proportion in the poorer section of the population than the richer, I believe.

Anyway, immigration is a non-issue - I'm with Helen on that one. If Croydon's fucked up it's because it's a fucked up area, not because of immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what point you&#8217;re trying to make, RE: Ghettos.</p>
<p>There may or may not be any &#8216;white ghettos&#8217; (though I&#8217;ve seen places that look pretty fucked up in Manchester and London myself, race not being an issue) but ghettos are about poverty, not race.</p>
<p>However, many ethnic minorities in this country are of a much greater proportion in the poorer section of the population than the richer, I believe.</p>
<p>Anyway, immigration is a non-issue - I&#8217;m with Helen on that one. If Croydon&#8217;s fucked up it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s a fucked up area, not because of immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: stipefish</title>
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		<dc:creator>stipefish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 10:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit, I've never travelled much outside of England. I've been to Henley no amount of times (a largely asian community in London), but I've never seen a white ghetto abroad.

Possibly because an area with that much capital isn't a ghetto, but a province?

I don't know. I'm just guessing. You tell me. After all, I wouldn't want to shoot my mouth off without reason or prior consideration, would I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit, I&#8217;ve never travelled much outside of England. I&#8217;ve been to Henley no amount of times (a largely asian community in London), but I&#8217;ve never seen a white ghetto abroad.</p>
<p>Possibly because an area with that much capital isn&#8217;t a ghetto, but a province?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m just guessing. You tell me. After all, I wouldn&#8217;t want to shoot my mouth off without reason or prior consideration, would I?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 09:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of immigrants *are* honest, hard working people. what needs to be controlled is the immigrants which refuse to work. the percentage of unworking immigrants is higher than the average unemployement rate for Britain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of immigrants *are* honest, hard working people. what needs to be controlled is the immigrants which refuse to work. the percentage of unworking immigrants is higher than the average unemployement rate for Britain.</p>
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